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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mom Through Both: You might enjoy the show we did on March 10, 2010 on Adopting out of Birth order and Artificial Twinning. http://www.creatingafamily.org/radioshow.html  We also have a website page on both Adopting out of Birth Order and Virtual Twins: 
http://www.creatingafamily.org/adoption-resources/adopting-out-of-birth-order.html 
http://www.creatingafamily.org/adoption-resources/artificial-twinning.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mom Through Both: You might enjoy the show we did on March 10, 2010 on Adopting out of Birth order and Artificial Twinning. <a href="http://www.creatingafamily.org/radioshow.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.creatingafamily.org/radioshow.html</a>  We also have a website page on both Adopting out of Birth Order and Virtual Twins:<br />
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		<title>By: Mom through both adoption &#38; IVF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom through both adoption &#38; IVF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t slam me if you disagree, it was hard to put what I wanted to say down in writing and how I phrased something below may not be the &quot;best&quot; way.

We continued to pursue the tail end of our infertility treatments as we did the paperwork for our adoption.  Basically, after IVF #4 failed, we kind of gave up on infertility treatments and we started the 6 months of paperwork to adopt internationally.

But, because of some insurance changes, our only opportunity to use up some frozen embryos was just as our dossier went out.  Well, surprisingly the FET worked.  While we were pregnant, we delayed the adoption 8 months (the country we adopted from was just reviewing our paperwork during that time anyway) and then reinitiated it when our biokids were 7 months old.  We almost immediately were assigned our daughter and went to get her 2 months later.  She is 5 months older than our biokids.  They get along great and are in the same class in school.

If we had waited until the biokids were 12 months old as many suggest, then all our Immigration paperwork would have expired and we would have basically had to start that all over.  Not something I could have contemplated when we had babies to take care of.

For us, there is really not a difference in how we feel about our kids...they are all just our kids.  Obviously, since our daughter through adoption is of another race and thus was obviously adopted, we do have to deal with overly curious people when we go out and we have to direct time and resources to giving her and her sisters experiences related to her country of origin.  The only thing that we really missed by adopting, is not having been with our daughter from her birth; she was already walking and babbling when we met her.  We miss that early time, but that is not really an option when you adopt internationally.

Personally, in reflection, as both the survivor of 4 years of infertility treatment and an adoptive mom, it would have been easier emotionally to have started the adoption process earlier, before as the previous poster mentioned, that was the &quot;only&quot; option.  Maybe not so it would have been a &quot;choice&quot; but so that you can leave it up to fate/luck which way would work first to bring you your child.  Kind of like fertiles might have a preference for either a boy or girl, but are happy with whichever fate gives them.

Also, maybe you would not be as desparate when you had setbacks in one or the other path.  Regrettably, both methods have LOTS of &quot;hurry up and then wait&quot; periods, so you can do both.  During an IVF cycle, you are intense for 3-4 weeks, but then if it fails, you have to wait 2 months to start over.  During our adoption, I was running around frantically getting paperwork done, then spending weeks on end waiting for our social worker or Immigration to do their parts.

In our case, we had already faced the issues related to what particular aspects of becoming a parent mattered to us and for us it wasn&#039;t really biology so much as having a healthy child from a young age.  I did want the opportunity to experience pregnancy though and with the way it happened, I did.

By the way, the agency we dealt with did not make us sign a &quot;no more fertilty treatments&quot; pledge...one reason we chose them.  They said that they usually have at least one couple on each adoption trip that is either pregnant or has recently had a child.  For us, finally succeeding at pregnancy did not remove our desire to adopt.  And I think that by the time many people have suffered from infertility for several years, they are open to the idea of a blended family because many infertility &quot;treatments&quot; require one of both parents to not have a biological connection anyway.

There is another local couple that used our agency. They had &quot;unexplained&quot; infertility.  After starting the adoption process, they unexpectedly got pregnant without any medical assistance.  They also continued with their adoption and have 2 daughters very close in age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t slam me if you disagree, it was hard to put what I wanted to say down in writing and how I phrased something below may not be the &#8220;best&#8221; way.</p>
<p>We continued to pursue the tail end of our infertility treatments as we did the paperwork for our adoption.  Basically, after IVF #4 failed, we kind of gave up on infertility treatments and we started the 6 months of paperwork to adopt internationally.</p>
<p>But, because of some insurance changes, our only opportunity to use up some frozen embryos was just as our dossier went out.  Well, surprisingly the FET worked.  While we were pregnant, we delayed the adoption 8 months (the country we adopted from was just reviewing our paperwork during that time anyway) and then reinitiated it when our biokids were 7 months old.  We almost immediately were assigned our daughter and went to get her 2 months later.  She is 5 months older than our biokids.  They get along great and are in the same class in school.</p>
<p>If we had waited until the biokids were 12 months old as many suggest, then all our Immigration paperwork would have expired and we would have basically had to start that all over.  Not something I could have contemplated when we had babies to take care of.</p>
<p>For us, there is really not a difference in how we feel about our kids&#8230;they are all just our kids.  Obviously, since our daughter through adoption is of another race and thus was obviously adopted, we do have to deal with overly curious people when we go out and we have to direct time and resources to giving her and her sisters experiences related to her country of origin.  The only thing that we really missed by adopting, is not having been with our daughter from her birth; she was already walking and babbling when we met her.  We miss that early time, but that is not really an option when you adopt internationally.</p>
<p>Personally, in reflection, as both the survivor of 4 years of infertility treatment and an adoptive mom, it would have been easier emotionally to have started the adoption process earlier, before as the previous poster mentioned, that was the &#8220;only&#8221; option.  Maybe not so it would have been a &#8220;choice&#8221; but so that you can leave it up to fate/luck which way would work first to bring you your child.  Kind of like fertiles might have a preference for either a boy or girl, but are happy with whichever fate gives them.</p>
<p>Also, maybe you would not be as desparate when you had setbacks in one or the other path.  Regrettably, both methods have LOTS of &#8220;hurry up and then wait&#8221; periods, so you can do both.  During an IVF cycle, you are intense for 3-4 weeks, but then if it fails, you have to wait 2 months to start over.  During our adoption, I was running around frantically getting paperwork done, then spending weeks on end waiting for our social worker or Immigration to do their parts.</p>
<p>In our case, we had already faced the issues related to what particular aspects of becoming a parent mattered to us and for us it wasn&#8217;t really biology so much as having a healthy child from a young age.  I did want the opportunity to experience pregnancy though and with the way it happened, I did.</p>
<p>By the way, the agency we dealt with did not make us sign a &#8220;no more fertilty treatments&#8221; pledge&#8230;one reason we chose them.  They said that they usually have at least one couple on each adoption trip that is either pregnant or has recently had a child.  For us, finally succeeding at pregnancy did not remove our desire to adopt.  And I think that by the time many people have suffered from infertility for several years, they are open to the idea of a blended family because many infertility &#8220;treatments&#8221; require one of both parents to not have a biological connection anyway.</p>
<p>There is another local couple that used our agency. They had &#8220;unexplained&#8221; infertility.  After starting the adoption process, they unexpectedly got pregnant without any medical assistance.  They also continued with their adoption and have 2 daughters very close in age.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  My wife and I talked about this issue when we went through infertility and decided it was best to focus our energies in only one place at a time, and to do that area with everything we had.  Your point in the second to last paragraph about letting a new child have the limelight is an important one too.  Thanks for these great thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  My wife and I talked about this issue when we went through infertility and decided it was best to focus our energies in only one place at a time, and to do that area with everything we had.  Your point in the second to last paragraph about letting a new child have the limelight is an important one too.  Thanks for these great thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: Willow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We pursued both adoption and fertility treatments at once precisely because I never wanted to feel like adopting was our last resort, our second choice after exhausting all other options.  I wanted to choose adoption while it was still a choice, while conceiving was still a possibility.  Now we have adopted and couldn&#039;t be more thrilled that our little boy has made us parents, and continuing with fertility treatments now is not nearly as painful as it was before we had him since our ability to become parents is no longer on the line--just whether or not we&#039;ll pass on our genes (a big thing in itself, of course, but not as huge as fearing I&#039;d never be a mom).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We pursued both adoption and fertility treatments at once precisely because I never wanted to feel like adopting was our last resort, our second choice after exhausting all other options.  I wanted to choose adoption while it was still a choice, while conceiving was still a possibility.  Now we have adopted and couldn&#8217;t be more thrilled that our little boy has made us parents, and continuing with fertility treatments now is not nearly as painful as it was before we had him since our ability to become parents is no longer on the line&#8211;just whether or not we&#8217;ll pass on our genes (a big thing in itself, of course, but not as huge as fearing I&#8217;d never be a mom).</p>
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		<title>By: CWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>CWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have been thinking about doing exactly this. We want to have a baby one way or the other. I think I would be able to do both, but after reading your thoughtful points, I&#039;m not sure. I really don&#039;t know if my husband is ready. I made him read your post on You know you&#039;re ready to adopt when.... He flunked it. Thank you for giving me something to think about. From what the other people have said, no adoption agency would consider it anyway. Infertility is so HARD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have been thinking about doing exactly this. We want to have a baby one way or the other. I think I would be able to do both, but after reading your thoughtful points, I&#8217;m not sure. I really don&#8217;t know if my husband is ready. I made him read your post on You know you&#8217;re ready to adopt when&#8230;. He flunked it. Thank you for giving me something to think about. From what the other people have said, no adoption agency would consider it anyway. Infertility is so HARD!</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  It presents a very balanced and informed view on the pluses and problems of pursuing both family building options at once.

~ICLW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  It presents a very balanced and informed view on the pluses and problems of pursuing both family building options at once.</p>
<p>~ICLW</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three years ago we tried to adopt through foster care but I always knew I wanted bio kids too.  That fell threw and we would NEVER do it again but I really think it would be an emotional nightmare to try to pursue both at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three years ago we tried to adopt through foster care but I always knew I wanted bio kids too.  That fell threw and we would NEVER do it again but I really think it would be an emotional nightmare to try to pursue both at once.</p>
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		<title>By: Myndi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myndi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly agree. Though we are not yet on the path to adoption, and, in fact, don&#039;t know if that would be the next step in our journey, I think about it a lot. We could do it in tandem with treatment, but I wouldn&#039;t be wholly invested in it and that isn&#039;t fair to anyone. If we opt to pursue adoption (or fostering), we want to do so with a completely open and willing heart. We can&#039;t do that until we&#039;ve wrapped up treatments and fully accepted that path isn&#039;t right for us. 

Thank you for sharing your perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree. Though we are not yet on the path to adoption, and, in fact, don&#8217;t know if that would be the next step in our journey, I think about it a lot. We could do it in tandem with treatment, but I wouldn&#8217;t be wholly invested in it and that isn&#8217;t fair to anyone. If we opt to pursue adoption (or fostering), we want to do so with a completely open and willing heart. We can&#8217;t do that until we&#8217;ve wrapped up treatments and fully accepted that path isn&#8217;t right for us. </p>
<p>Thank you for sharing your perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My agency let&#039;s you know in no uncertain terms that you need to be done with fertility treatments and if you become pregnant while you are in the process, the adoption stops. I briefly considered trying again because I can&#039;t really say I&#039;m infertile. I don&#039;t have a partner so I tried ART twice and it didn&#039;t work. 
I only decided not to do it again because of my age and the statistics about children of mothers in their 40&#039;s. But it&#039;s fine. I do think that you need to really need to make sure that you can live with a blended family and your capable of making no distinction between adopted and bio kids. Some people can&#039;t do that (neither can extended family), and it&#039;s is to the detriment of their adopted children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My agency let&#8217;s you know in no uncertain terms that you need to be done with fertility treatments and if you become pregnant while you are in the process, the adoption stops. I briefly considered trying again because I can&#8217;t really say I&#8217;m infertile. I don&#8217;t have a partner so I tried ART twice and it didn&#8217;t work.<br />
I only decided not to do it again because of my age and the statistics about children of mothers in their 40&#8242;s. But it&#8217;s fine. I do think that you need to really need to make sure that you can live with a blended family and your capable of making no distinction between adopted and bio kids. Some people can&#8217;t do that (neither can extended family), and it&#8217;s is to the detriment of their adopted children.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Davenport</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn Davenport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann and Mandy and everyone else, please also post your comments over on theblog itself so non FB folks can benefit from your wisdom as well. http://www.creatingafamily.org/blog/adoption-domestic-adoption-international -adoption-embryo-adoption-foster-care-adoption/cake-eating-continuing-infert ility-treatment-applying-adopt/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann and Mandy and everyone else, please also post your comments over on theblog itself so non FB folks can benefit from your wisdom as well. <a href="http://www.creatingafamily.org/blog/adoption-domestic-adoption-international" rel="nofollow">http://www.creatingafamily.org/blog/adoption-domestic-adoption-international</a> -adoption-embryo-adoption-foster-care-adoption/cake-eating-continuing-infert ility-treatment-applying-adopt/</p>
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