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		<title>By: Marilynn Huff</title>
		<link>http://www.creatingafamily.org/blog/adoptive-parenting/donor-eggs-half-adoption/comment-page-1/#comment-2662</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilynn Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention - flip the same situation around - a woman who wants to be a mother can&#039;t carry her child and pays a surogate to carry and deliver the baby.  

Is the surogate the mother or is she?  She&#039;s likely to feel that the surogate delivered her child for her.  To her DNA is everything.  From a scientific standpoint she&#039;s right but would those of you who are raising a child from another woman&#039;s egg feel differently?  Do you view the surogate as the real mother?  Is motherhood solely based on intent? Or who paid who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention &#8211; flip the same situation around &#8211; a woman who wants to be a mother can&#8217;t carry her child and pays a surogate to carry and deliver the baby.  </p>
<p>Is the surogate the mother or is she?  She&#8217;s likely to feel that the surogate delivered her child for her.  To her DNA is everything.  From a scientific standpoint she&#8217;s right but would those of you who are raising a child from another woman&#8217;s egg feel differently?  Do you view the surogate as the real mother?  Is motherhood solely based on intent? Or who paid who?</p>
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		<title>By: Marilynn Huff</title>
		<link>http://www.creatingafamily.org/blog/adoptive-parenting/donor-eggs-half-adoption/comment-page-1/#comment-2661</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilynn Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The woman who provided the egg successfully reproduced herself even though she did not carry or deliver her own baby.  Its not possible to reproduce yourself by having another woman’s fertilized egg implanted in your womb.  You will deliver a baby that appears to be yours but is in fact a reproduction of the woman the egg came from.  The baby is of her flesh and blood not yours.  You will have carried and delivered and nursed is not your own it is her own.  There will be no evidence of your biology in the baby’s DNA and on paper she will appear to be the baby’s mother no differently than had she delivered the baby herself.  That is because she is the baby’s mother.  That is the truth.  It does not make her a good mother, nor does it mean that she did not intend for you to raise the child without her involvement.  Her motherhood can be ignored but it cant be erased.  It’s a mistake to pretend that you have a biological connection to the baby.  The fact that you and the baby are not related won’t have any impact on how much you love each other.

Does dna make a family?  Of course it does.  Would you ever have sex with your sibling or any blood relative willingly?  While it would be gross for siblings to hook up in an adopted family, everyone knows that the only reason its gross is because they were raised in the same house as brother and sister.  Had one of them been adopted by another family it would be completely ok for them to date.  There are people who we are naturally suppose to exclude from the pool of potential mates.  In order to do that we need to know what our immediate relatives look like.  If you do not know what they look like there is a very good chance that you’d gravitate towards family members that you “have so much in common with”

There’s a lot more than siblings to consider, there are first cousins, aunts, uncles, the anonymous mother and grandparents to avoid in the sexual sense.  I personally new a woman that had to tell her adopted son he was adopted when she learned he was living with and engaged to his own aunt.  His grandmother was pregnant at the same time his mother was pregnant and gave him up for adoption.  The result was that he had an aunt born the same year as him, in the same city.  They’d gone to the same school.  The adoptive mother recognized the last name and realized how much the girl looked like her adopted son’s real mother. 

That kid was angry betrayed and really grossed out at the incestuous relationship with his aunt.  So now you need to think about how many siblings the babies your having are likely to have, how many cousins etc all living within 25 miles of your own homes.  Don’t stop there consider the grandchildren that you will someday have and think of how many first cousins they will have living near them.  It’s a real good thing that kid did not have any children with his aunt.  The only reason the adoptive mother was able to stop the relationship was because she had met her son’s real mother before she adopted him.  I’m just saying think about what you’ll be getting your family into and if you’ve already done it you really need to tell them sooner than later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The woman who provided the egg successfully reproduced herself even though she did not carry or deliver her own baby.  Its not possible to reproduce yourself by having another woman’s fertilized egg implanted in your womb.  You will deliver a baby that appears to be yours but is in fact a reproduction of the woman the egg came from.  The baby is of her flesh and blood not yours.  You will have carried and delivered and nursed is not your own it is her own.  There will be no evidence of your biology in the baby’s DNA and on paper she will appear to be the baby’s mother no differently than had she delivered the baby herself.  That is because she is the baby’s mother.  That is the truth.  It does not make her a good mother, nor does it mean that she did not intend for you to raise the child without her involvement.  Her motherhood can be ignored but it cant be erased.  It’s a mistake to pretend that you have a biological connection to the baby.  The fact that you and the baby are not related won’t have any impact on how much you love each other.</p>
<p>Does dna make a family?  Of course it does.  Would you ever have sex with your sibling or any blood relative willingly?  While it would be gross for siblings to hook up in an adopted family, everyone knows that the only reason its gross is because they were raised in the same house as brother and sister.  Had one of them been adopted by another family it would be completely ok for them to date.  There are people who we are naturally suppose to exclude from the pool of potential mates.  In order to do that we need to know what our immediate relatives look like.  If you do not know what they look like there is a very good chance that you’d gravitate towards family members that you “have so much in common with”</p>
<p>There’s a lot more than siblings to consider, there are first cousins, aunts, uncles, the anonymous mother and grandparents to avoid in the sexual sense.  I personally new a woman that had to tell her adopted son he was adopted when she learned he was living with and engaged to his own aunt.  His grandmother was pregnant at the same time his mother was pregnant and gave him up for adoption.  The result was that he had an aunt born the same year as him, in the same city.  They’d gone to the same school.  The adoptive mother recognized the last name and realized how much the girl looked like her adopted son’s real mother. </p>
<p>That kid was angry betrayed and really grossed out at the incestuous relationship with his aunt.  So now you need to think about how many siblings the babies your having are likely to have, how many cousins etc all living within 25 miles of your own homes.  Don’t stop there consider the grandchildren that you will someday have and think of how many first cousins they will have living near them.  It’s a real good thing that kid did not have any children with his aunt.  The only reason the adoptive mother was able to stop the relationship was because she had met her son’s real mother before she adopted him.  I’m just saying think about what you’ll be getting your family into and if you’ve already done it you really need to tell them sooner than later.</p>
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		<title>By: A MOM!</title>
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		<dc:creator>A MOM!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is pure B_ll Sh_t. There is nothing about donor egg that is like adoption. These are our kids and you are just going to make them all screwed up if you try to treat them like adopted kids. Most of us went with donor egg over adoption for a reason!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pure B_ll Sh_t. There is nothing about donor egg that is like adoption. These are our kids and you are just going to make them all screwed up if you try to treat them like adopted kids. Most of us went with donor egg over adoption for a reason!</p>
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		<title>By: Whytellitsdumb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whytellitsdumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the child has a right to know they were conceived through egg donation.  And it has nothing to do with shame, but the truth.  If I were to do this, I would say that I had IVF because my tubes were blocked or something.  

But the fact is more than genetics makes a mom. It takes genetics and gestation.  Without both sides it is just an adoption.  So the truth is the gestation mom is as much the mother as the genetic donor from a technical standpoint and more so from the social standpoint.

I just don&#039;t think it&#039;s that big of a deal.  Two complete strangers could have a similar or even near-exact medical history.  My fiance and I both have alcoholism and cancer as part of our family tree and we share the same blood type.
Genetics is way too overemphasized.  Every human being has one common ancestor.  

If I had annonynous DE I wouldn&#039;t tell my child.  I don&#039;t see the point.  You will already know their medical history and if you chose right, they will be more similar to you than not anyway and their ways and mannerisms will come from being raised by you. Bringing the donor DE into the picture ignores all you went through to get your child.  Why bother with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the child has a right to know they were conceived through egg donation.  And it has nothing to do with shame, but the truth.  If I were to do this, I would say that I had IVF because my tubes were blocked or something.  </p>
<p>But the fact is more than genetics makes a mom. It takes genetics and gestation.  Without both sides it is just an adoption.  So the truth is the gestation mom is as much the mother as the genetic donor from a technical standpoint and more so from the social standpoint.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that big of a deal.  Two complete strangers could have a similar or even near-exact medical history.  My fiance and I both have alcoholism and cancer as part of our family tree and we share the same blood type.<br />
Genetics is way too overemphasized.  Every human being has one common ancestor.  </p>
<p>If I had annonynous DE I wouldn&#8217;t tell my child.  I don&#8217;t see the point.  You will already know their medical history and if you chose right, they will be more similar to you than not anyway and their ways and mannerisms will come from being raised by you. Bringing the donor DE into the picture ignores all you went through to get your child.  Why bother with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://www.creatingafamily.org/blog/adoptive-parenting/donor-eggs-half-adoption/comment-page-1/#comment-2205</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion that is exactly how the conversation should go. For the most part kids don&#039;t talk about their conception much, so the beans will probably not be spilled when she is young. When she is older she might chose to share that she indeed did not get her blond hair from you, but many kids simply don&#039;t think it matters enough to share outside the family. If it does become a problem, there are some books out there for adopted kids that talks about the difference between privacy and secrecy that might work. By the way, there are some pretty good books to read to your daughter to help normalize conception through donor egg.  We list the best ones I&#039;ve found at our Suggested books Page under Infertility Resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion that is exactly how the conversation should go. For the most part kids don&#8217;t talk about their conception much, so the beans will probably not be spilled when she is young. When she is older she might chose to share that she indeed did not get her blond hair from you, but many kids simply don&#8217;t think it matters enough to share outside the family. If it does become a problem, there are some books out there for adopted kids that talks about the difference between privacy and secrecy that might work. By the way, there are some pretty good books to read to your daughter to help normalize conception through donor egg.  We list the best ones I&#8217;ve found at our Suggested books Page under Infertility Resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Layla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Layla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the nuts-and-bolts conversation I plan to have -- indeed, have begun having -- with my 15-month-old daughter, conceived via IVF with an egg donor, and definitely more interested in chewing on her toes than in knowing her origins:

&quot;All babies come from an egg and a sperm.

&quot;Eggs come from ladies, and sperm comes from men.

&quot;Sometimes, Daddy&#039;s sperm doesn&#039;t work well, so a doctor takes sperm from another man and puts it with Mommy&#039;s egg.

&quot;Sometimes, Mommy&#039;s eggs don&#039;t work well, so a doctor takes eggs from another lady and puts it with Daddy&#039;s sperm.

&quot;That&#039;s what happened with you. My eggs didn&#039;t work well, so we got a doctor to put another lady&#039;s egg with Daddy&#039;s sperm. You were created, and the doctor put you in my belly where you grew for nine months. We were so happy when you were born!&quot;

That&#039;s basically it, at this point. As she gets older and wants to know more, I&#039;ll start using terms like &quot;genetic parent&quot; or &quot;egg donor&quot;, and will offer to share information on the donor if she asks. 

I only have one concern, and it&#039;s minor: Although everyone in our family knows how she was conceived, very few of our friends do. It&#039;s entirely possible my daughter might spill the beans down the road, either to one of our friends or our friends&#039; children. That will be a little awkward, yeah. But it won&#039;t kill me, and it&#039;s a risk I&#039;m willing to take in the name of disclosure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the nuts-and-bolts conversation I plan to have &#8212; indeed, have begun having &#8212; with my 15-month-old daughter, conceived via IVF with an egg donor, and definitely more interested in chewing on her toes than in knowing her origins:</p>
<p>&#8220;All babies come from an egg and a sperm.</p>
<p>&#8220;Eggs come from ladies, and sperm comes from men.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sometimes, Daddy&#8217;s sperm doesn&#8217;t work well, so a doctor takes sperm from another man and puts it with Mommy&#8217;s egg.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sometimes, Mommy&#8217;s eggs don&#8217;t work well, so a doctor takes eggs from another lady and puts it with Daddy&#8217;s sperm.</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s what happened with you. My eggs didn&#8217;t work well, so we got a doctor to put another lady&#8217;s egg with Daddy&#8217;s sperm. You were created, and the doctor put you in my belly where you grew for nine months. We were so happy when you were born!&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s basically it, at this point. As she gets older and wants to know more, I&#8217;ll start using terms like &#8220;genetic parent&#8221; or &#8220;egg donor&#8221;, and will offer to share information on the donor if she asks. </p>
<p>I only have one concern, and it&#8217;s minor: Although everyone in our family knows how she was conceived, very few of our friends do. It&#8217;s entirely possible my daughter might spill the beans down the road, either to one of our friends or our friends&#8217; children. That will be a little awkward, yeah. But it won&#8217;t kill me, and it&#8217;s a risk I&#8217;m willing to take in the name of disclosure.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete and Zoe's Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.creatingafamily.org/blog/adoptive-parenting/donor-eggs-half-adoption/comment-page-1/#comment-2182</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete and Zoe's Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re opened up a can or worms with this post. I hope you&#039;ll stay away from such controversy in the future. I really do like your shows and blog, but you totally missed the mark with this one. Stick with what you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re opened up a can or worms with this post. I hope you&#8217;ll stay away from such controversy in the future. I really do like your shows and blog, but you totally missed the mark with this one. Stick with what you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Andi</title>
		<link>http://www.creatingafamily.org/blog/adoptive-parenting/donor-eggs-half-adoption/comment-page-1/#comment-2181</link>
		<dc:creator>Andi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawn, I&#039;m a fan. I can&#039;t say I agree with you on this, but I always appreciate your insight and perspective.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn, I&#8217;m a fan. I can&#8217;t say I agree with you on this, but I always appreciate your insight and perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this blog makes good sense. I think the reason you&#039;ve gotten skewered is because people are afraid. I know we were afraid when we talked to our kids about adoption. I worried that they would feel like they were less mine. Now that they are 6 and 8, this seems like such a silly fear. By the way, I just finished listening to your show on creating attachment using lifebooks for your kids. It was terrific!!! I&#039;m so glad it didn&#039;t make me feel like I had screwed up by waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this blog makes good sense. I think the reason you&#8217;ve gotten skewered is because people are afraid. I know we were afraid when we talked to our kids about adoption. I worried that they would feel like they were less mine. Now that they are 6 and 8, this seems like such a silly fear. By the way, I just finished listening to your show on creating attachment using lifebooks for your kids. It was terrific!!! I&#8217;m so glad it didn&#8217;t make me feel like I had screwed up by waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Chairman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chairman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawn said: 
Lynn, the point is not what you call it. I don’t like, nor do I use, the term half-adoption. The point is that your child has the right to know that she was conceived through donor egg. By the way, I know you didn’t mean any offense and I’m not trying to be picky, but all moms, whether by birth or adoption, are their child’s mother in the greatest sense of the word. As I said in the post, genetics doesn’t define family.
++ ++ ++ ++ ++
Actually Dawn, you are saying that genetics does define family. That&#039;s why you say that the child needs to know his/her genetic connections.
You also say that &quot;all moms, whether by birth or adoption, are their child&#039;s mother in the greatest sense of the word.&quot; While that may be a good sound byte, it is not a law of nature and you can&#039;t guarantee your child is going to think way that once you let the cat out of the bag. That&#039;s why some people are no-tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn said:<br />
Lynn, the point is not what you call it. I don’t like, nor do I use, the term half-adoption. The point is that your child has the right to know that she was conceived through donor egg. By the way, I know you didn’t mean any offense and I’m not trying to be picky, but all moms, whether by birth or adoption, are their child’s mother in the greatest sense of the word. As I said in the post, genetics doesn’t define family.<br />
++ ++ ++ ++ ++<br />
Actually Dawn, you are saying that genetics does define family. That&#8217;s why you say that the child needs to know his/her genetic connections.<br />
You also say that &#8220;all moms, whether by birth or adoption, are their child&#8217;s mother in the greatest sense of the word.&#8221; While that may be a good sound byte, it is not a law of nature and you can&#8217;t guarantee your child is going to think way that once you let the cat out of the bag. That&#8217;s why some people are no-tell.</p>
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