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	<description>I talk about adoption, infertility, adoptive parenting, and plain old parenting.</description>
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		<title>Comment on How Old is Too Old to Become a Mom by Rita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always wanted to be a mom, but never wanted to bring a child into the world unless I could give him or her everything. That meant I wanted to be married if possible. I FINALLY found the right guy when I was 41. We&#039;ve been married 2 years and have been trying to conceive for 2 1/2 years. It hasn&#039;t happened yet, but we will keep trying-next time with donor egg. (I found this site through the radio shows on egg donation, but have now devoured all the shows, especially the ones on how to emotionally cope with infertility.) I am 43 and my DH is 45. I don&#039;t think we are too old YET, but I do think there is an upper limit.  I really didn&#039;t want to read this blog but I&#039;m glad I did now. I think we all need to realize that there is a time to say, I&#039;m just too old to have this dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wanted to be a mom, but never wanted to bring a child into the world unless I could give him or her everything. That meant I wanted to be married if possible. I FINALLY found the right guy when I was 41. We&#8217;ve been married 2 years and have been trying to conceive for 2 1/2 years. It hasn&#8217;t happened yet, but we will keep trying-next time with donor egg. (I found this site through the radio shows on egg donation, but have now devoured all the shows, especially the ones on how to emotionally cope with infertility.) I am 43 and my DH is 45. I don&#8217;t think we are too old YET, but I do think there is an upper limit.  I really didn&#8217;t want to read this blog but I&#8217;m glad I did now. I think we all need to realize that there is a time to say, I&#8217;m just too old to have this dream.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Cherished Child: Parenting after Infertility by Dawn</title>
		<link>http://www.creatingafamily.org/blog/adoptive-parenting/cherished-child-parenting-infertility/comment-page-1/#comment-2703</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christina, I am so sorry for your experience. No child deserves that. You share a good point--there are lousy adoptive parents and parents through assisted reproductive technology as well. When we look at research we are looking at large (and sometimes not large enough) groups and can miss the details.  And no, I don&#039;t think this research implies that bio parents are as a group inferior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christina, I am so sorry for your experience. No child deserves that. You share a good point&#8211;there are lousy adoptive parents and parents through assisted reproductive technology as well. When we look at research we are looking at large (and sometimes not large enough) groups and can miss the details.  And no, I don&#8217;t think this research implies that bio parents are as a group inferior.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Cherished Child: Parenting after Infertility by randi</title>
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		<dc:creator>randi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This blog brought tears to my eyes and usually anything with research in it doesn&#039;t do that for me. I love love love the title &quot;The Cherished Child.&quot; That is exactly right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog brought tears to my eyes and usually anything with research in it doesn&#8217;t do that for me. I love love love the title &#8220;The Cherished Child.&#8221; That is exactly right.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Cherished Child: Parenting after Infertility by Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>{ Studies show that adoptive parents invest more time and financial resources in their children than biological parents and “evidence a high level of strength in terms of warmth, communication, discipline, and cohesion.” }

So does that mean that I, as a biological mother, do NOT invest time and financial resources or evidence strength in terms of warmth, communication, etc.?  I disagree.  You can&#039;t generalize adoptive parents, nor biological parents that way.

My adoptive parents invested nothing in me and exhibited no warmth, communication or cohesion.  The only thing they evidenced was the discipline part, and that was done through abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{ Studies show that adoptive parents invest more time and financial resources in their children than biological parents and “evidence a high level of strength in terms of warmth, communication, discipline, and cohesion.” }</p>
<p>So does that mean that I, as a biological mother, do NOT invest time and financial resources or evidence strength in terms of warmth, communication, etc.?  I disagree.  You can&#8217;t generalize adoptive parents, nor biological parents that way.</p>
<p>My adoptive parents invested nothing in me and exhibited no warmth, communication or cohesion.  The only thing they evidenced was the discipline part, and that was done through abuse.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Having Your Cake and Eating it Too?  Continuing in Infertility Treatment While Applying to Adopt by Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mom Through Both: You might enjoy the show we did on March 10, 2010 on Adopting out of Birth order and Artificial Twinning. http://www.creatingafamily.org/radioshow.html  We also have a website page on both Adopting out of Birth Order and Virtual Twins: 
http://www.creatingafamily.org/adoption-resources/adopting-out-of-birth-order.html 
http://www.creatingafamily.org/adoption-resources/artificial-twinning.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mom Through Both: You might enjoy the show we did on March 10, 2010 on Adopting out of Birth order and Artificial Twinning. <a href="http://www.creatingafamily.org/radioshow.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.creatingafamily.org/radioshow.html</a>  We also have a website page on both Adopting out of Birth Order and Virtual Twins:<br />
<a href="http://www.creatingafamily.org/adoption-resources/adopting-out-of-birth-order.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.creatingafamily.org/adoption-resources/adopting-out-of-birth-order.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.creatingafamily.org/adoption-resources/artificial-twinning.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.creatingafamily.org/adoption-resources/artificial-twinning.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Having Your Cake and Eating it Too?  Continuing in Infertility Treatment While Applying to Adopt by Mom through both adoption &#38; IVF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom through both adoption &#38; IVF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t slam me if you disagree, it was hard to put what I wanted to say down in writing and how I phrased something below may not be the &quot;best&quot; way.

We continued to pursue the tail end of our infertility treatments as we did the paperwork for our adoption.  Basically, after IVF #4 failed, we kind of gave up on infertility treatments and we started the 6 months of paperwork to adopt internationally.

But, because of some insurance changes, our only opportunity to use up some frozen embryos was just as our dossier went out.  Well, surprisingly the FET worked.  While we were pregnant, we delayed the adoption 8 months (the country we adopted from was just reviewing our paperwork during that time anyway) and then reinitiated it when our biokids were 7 months old.  We almost immediately were assigned our daughter and went to get her 2 months later.  She is 5 months older than our biokids.  They get along great and are in the same class in school.

If we had waited until the biokids were 12 months old as many suggest, then all our Immigration paperwork would have expired and we would have basically had to start that all over.  Not something I could have contemplated when we had babies to take care of.

For us, there is really not a difference in how we feel about our kids...they are all just our kids.  Obviously, since our daughter through adoption is of another race and thus was obviously adopted, we do have to deal with overly curious people when we go out and we have to direct time and resources to giving her and her sisters experiences related to her country of origin.  The only thing that we really missed by adopting, is not having been with our daughter from her birth; she was already walking and babbling when we met her.  We miss that early time, but that is not really an option when you adopt internationally.

Personally, in reflection, as both the survivor of 4 years of infertility treatment and an adoptive mom, it would have been easier emotionally to have started the adoption process earlier, before as the previous poster mentioned, that was the &quot;only&quot; option.  Maybe not so it would have been a &quot;choice&quot; but so that you can leave it up to fate/luck which way would work first to bring you your child.  Kind of like fertiles might have a preference for either a boy or girl, but are happy with whichever fate gives them.

Also, maybe you would not be as desparate when you had setbacks in one or the other path.  Regrettably, both methods have LOTS of &quot;hurry up and then wait&quot; periods, so you can do both.  During an IVF cycle, you are intense for 3-4 weeks, but then if it fails, you have to wait 2 months to start over.  During our adoption, I was running around frantically getting paperwork done, then spending weeks on end waiting for our social worker or Immigration to do their parts.

In our case, we had already faced the issues related to what particular aspects of becoming a parent mattered to us and for us it wasn&#039;t really biology so much as having a healthy child from a young age.  I did want the opportunity to experience pregnancy though and with the way it happened, I did.

By the way, the agency we dealt with did not make us sign a &quot;no more fertilty treatments&quot; pledge...one reason we chose them.  They said that they usually have at least one couple on each adoption trip that is either pregnant or has recently had a child.  For us, finally succeeding at pregnancy did not remove our desire to adopt.  And I think that by the time many people have suffered from infertility for several years, they are open to the idea of a blended family because many infertility &quot;treatments&quot; require one of both parents to not have a biological connection anyway.

There is another local couple that used our agency. They had &quot;unexplained&quot; infertility.  After starting the adoption process, they unexpectedly got pregnant without any medical assistance.  They also continued with their adoption and have 2 daughters very close in age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t slam me if you disagree, it was hard to put what I wanted to say down in writing and how I phrased something below may not be the &#8220;best&#8221; way.</p>
<p>We continued to pursue the tail end of our infertility treatments as we did the paperwork for our adoption.  Basically, after IVF #4 failed, we kind of gave up on infertility treatments and we started the 6 months of paperwork to adopt internationally.</p>
<p>But, because of some insurance changes, our only opportunity to use up some frozen embryos was just as our dossier went out.  Well, surprisingly the FET worked.  While we were pregnant, we delayed the adoption 8 months (the country we adopted from was just reviewing our paperwork during that time anyway) and then reinitiated it when our biokids were 7 months old.  We almost immediately were assigned our daughter and went to get her 2 months later.  She is 5 months older than our biokids.  They get along great and are in the same class in school.</p>
<p>If we had waited until the biokids were 12 months old as many suggest, then all our Immigration paperwork would have expired and we would have basically had to start that all over.  Not something I could have contemplated when we had babies to take care of.</p>
<p>For us, there is really not a difference in how we feel about our kids&#8230;they are all just our kids.  Obviously, since our daughter through adoption is of another race and thus was obviously adopted, we do have to deal with overly curious people when we go out and we have to direct time and resources to giving her and her sisters experiences related to her country of origin.  The only thing that we really missed by adopting, is not having been with our daughter from her birth; she was already walking and babbling when we met her.  We miss that early time, but that is not really an option when you adopt internationally.</p>
<p>Personally, in reflection, as both the survivor of 4 years of infertility treatment and an adoptive mom, it would have been easier emotionally to have started the adoption process earlier, before as the previous poster mentioned, that was the &#8220;only&#8221; option.  Maybe not so it would have been a &#8220;choice&#8221; but so that you can leave it up to fate/luck which way would work first to bring you your child.  Kind of like fertiles might have a preference for either a boy or girl, but are happy with whichever fate gives them.</p>
<p>Also, maybe you would not be as desparate when you had setbacks in one or the other path.  Regrettably, both methods have LOTS of &#8220;hurry up and then wait&#8221; periods, so you can do both.  During an IVF cycle, you are intense for 3-4 weeks, but then if it fails, you have to wait 2 months to start over.  During our adoption, I was running around frantically getting paperwork done, then spending weeks on end waiting for our social worker or Immigration to do their parts.</p>
<p>In our case, we had already faced the issues related to what particular aspects of becoming a parent mattered to us and for us it wasn&#8217;t really biology so much as having a healthy child from a young age.  I did want the opportunity to experience pregnancy though and with the way it happened, I did.</p>
<p>By the way, the agency we dealt with did not make us sign a &#8220;no more fertilty treatments&#8221; pledge&#8230;one reason we chose them.  They said that they usually have at least one couple on each adoption trip that is either pregnant or has recently had a child.  For us, finally succeeding at pregnancy did not remove our desire to adopt.  And I think that by the time many people have suffered from infertility for several years, they are open to the idea of a blended family because many infertility &#8220;treatments&#8221; require one of both parents to not have a biological connection anyway.</p>
<p>There is another local couple that used our agency. They had &#8220;unexplained&#8221; infertility.  After starting the adoption process, they unexpectedly got pregnant without any medical assistance.  They also continued with their adoption and have 2 daughters very close in age.</p>
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		<title>Comment on So You&#8217;re Infertile, Why Not Just Adopt? by Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here from the Creme.
What a beautiful post, well said.</description>
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What a beautiful post, well said.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Myth of Love at First Sight by Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz, I&#039;m always too tired to check spelling, and spell check has made me such a lazy speller that I can&#039;t afford to not check. {sigh}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz, I&#8217;m always too tired to check spelling, and spell check has made me such a lazy speller that I can&#8217;t afford to not check. {sigh}</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Myth of Love at First Sight by Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this for a confession. I did not feel what I thought I should for my bio daughter at first. With my adopted one, it has taken one year. Talking about it will help. Delay the adoption to take the pressure off. You can do that and not feel bad. You are doing the best you can. I wasn&#039;t sure I loved my husband after the honeymoon wore off. Then slowly he became my family. Hang in there. You are prefectly normal. I&#039;m too tired to check spelling today. Liz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this for a confession. I did not feel what I thought I should for my bio daughter at first. With my adopted one, it has taken one year. Talking about it will help. Delay the adoption to take the pressure off. You can do that and not feel bad. You are doing the best you can. I wasn&#8217;t sure I loved my husband after the honeymoon wore off. Then slowly he became my family. Hang in there. You are prefectly normal. I&#8217;m too tired to check spelling today. Liz</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Myth of Love at First Sight by D.P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are trying to decide now what our next step will be. We are down to surrogacy with or without donor egg, but likely with, adoption, or a child free life. My greatest fear is that I won&#039;t attach to a child that is carried by another woman thru adoption or any form of surrogacy. I identified with the questioner more than you could imagine. I must say that I have found the comments to be incredibly helpful. Almost inspirational. I had no idea that anyone else felt the way I do.  I made my husband read them all as well. Thank you all for posting here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are trying to decide now what our next step will be. We are down to surrogacy with or without donor egg, but likely with, adoption, or a child free life. My greatest fear is that I won&#8217;t attach to a child that is carried by another woman thru adoption or any form of surrogacy. I identified with the questioner more than you could imagine. I must say that I have found the comments to be incredibly helpful. Almost inspirational. I had no idea that anyone else felt the way I do.  I made my husband read them all as well. Thank you all for posting here.</p>
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